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 Hello!
I understand what Holgers is saying. I must comment on the fact that many men who recieve awards at times do not deserve them. I had an Uncle who was in the 2 SS Panzer Division. He saw alot of action. He fought for his country and later for his survival. Because he was in the Waffen SS does that make him any less ? A crew of a U-boat that had several patrols and survived are they any less? The last U-Boat my father was on was U-805. They only had one operational patrol. Are they any less? As I have stated before we must be careful to single out people and wether they should be called heros. We have that "luxury" of time. They did not.
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Dbauer: No, that's not what we're saying. Servicemen who earn combat decorations have EARNED the combat decorations. Party flunkies, they don't stack up in the slightest.
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 OK!
I misunderstood what was being said. Sorry. I agree with that.
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The drama of the last partol and the lose of U-47 would make a great final scene! What do you think?
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I think you are right Dan, especially if you worked in the fact that the U-Boat arm within the span of ten days not only lost Prien but, Kretschmer in U-99 was captured, and Schepke in U-100 was also lost. This was a great blow to the morale of the U-boat arm. Three of their best aces lost in such a short period. In his war diary dated 10 April 1941 Goebbels wrote:
"Kretschmer in English captivity, Prien and Schepke probably lost. Our three best U-boat commanders lost. This is dreadful. We publish nothing about it for the moment. The people will be very sad. Particularly in the case of Prien who is very popular."
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I've found more on the death of Prien, Kretschmer and Schepke. This is from Donitz's memoirs:
"The death of Prien and Schepke and the loss of U-99 (Kretschmer) were particularly heavy blows to me and my staff. Schepke had been a real thruster and had done exceptionally good work from the very beginning, in all he had sunk 39 ships with a total of 159,300 tonnes."
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Interesting to see Donitz use English terminology; "Thruster" is a rider who makes his way to the front of the pack, just behind the hounds, thus upsetting dozens of other hunters during an English foxhunt.
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It may have been the closet translation the translator could come up with. not all words translate well.
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Yeah, especially in German where they tend to stick words together until they have one massive compounded word that describes the object or action they are taking perfectly.
Thruster tends to have a negative connotation in English, but looking at what Donitz has written gives it slightly different context. Fortunately that term is considered "archaic English" at this point and isn't really used outside of the higher echelons of the British upper class.
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Yes,
That would be good idea!
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Yes,
That would be good idea!
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O.K. when do we start production.
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