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Posted: 03 May 2007 at 14:23 | IP Logged  

Hello friends !

NICE website! Ahhhhh, that we had references like this site for all our modeling projects!

I just scored the Amati kit, and want to combine the Revell VIIC hull halves, fittings, etc with it.  I plan to use the Amati brass deck and conning tower, and the rest will be a combination of scratch building, CMK parts, Revell parts, numerous PE sets, and some voodoo and black magic!

I’m knee-deep (ok, maybe up to my chin) in making a corrected set of hull halves for the VIIC (specifically U-201), and hope to cast them for future projects (this U-47 being one of them).  I’m trying to locate exactly what WILL work and what needs modification to back-date the corrected halves to a VIIB (specifically U-47).  Starting with a cast of the corrected VIIC hulls halves (corrected anchor well, torpedo doors, flood holes, etc.) I want to take the 8mm (scale) out of the hull for a corrected VIIB length.  I’m not 100% sure where to take it from.  Rossler says the center section where the conning tower is.  Right in the middle?  Perhaps this will all be clear with printed 1/72 drawings?

I thought I’d start with the Amati flood holes rather than correct the one’s on my corrected VIIC halves, but it may be easier just fixing the flood holes on the corrected halves.  But, it looks like the biggest difference in the hull halves will be the differences in the saddle tanks, which seem to be shaped pretty differently, especially at the forward end.  The flood “slots” above the tanks also look to be quite different.

I’m sure many of you are more familiar than I am about what would need to be done to splice these kits/parts together to make a nice VIIB.  What I’d really like is an accurate drawing of the deck.  Is the Amati deck fairly accurate, or should I start with and modify the U-brass or nautilus decks?  Looks like I’ll also need to fix the CT floor due to the centrally located intake duct faux-pas.

Any correspondence and suggestions greatly appreciated !

Scott
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Posted: 03 May 2007 at 22:49 | IP Logged  

  Welcome Scott, I had the Amati kit and I'm going to leave it at that, what a monster.   I have a good feeling though that you and Dan are going to have a lot to talk about.  And again Welcome.

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Posted: 05 May 2007 at 21:28 | IP Logged  

 Hello!

The Amati kit is nice. I have not seen one myself, but I have seen pics of the completed model.  I am presently working on a conversion of the 1/72 Revell kit  back to the Type B. I am doing U-47 post 1941, preparing for it's 10th and final patrol.  U-47 was not a typical Type B. Her vent slots were different on both sides. There are also some minor differences in other items on this U-Boot. I have done some major research even before I started work on the kit.  Also use this site to determine what version of U-47 you plan to do. There were many changes on U-47 during her carrer. Good Luck! Any questions let me know. I will try to help as best I can.

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Posted: 05 May 2007 at 21:30 | IP Logged  

 Hi Again!

Oh, I forgot!  I found the best place to take out the 8mm was just back behind the Tower .

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Posted: 05 May 2007 at 23:19 | IP Logged  

Hi Dan, and thanks.  I'd love to chat with you about both our projects.  My cell number is 610-564-3724.  Give me a shout if you will. 

I've been busy today working on the VIIC hull halves.  I'm a master pattern maker for Tiger Model designs (www.tigermodels.com) and Joe and I hope to start a new U-Boat line.  The corrected hull halves (and accompanying pressure hull) would be our first item.   I plan on staring with the corrected VIIC hull halves and converting a set to a B.  Hmmmmmm, maybe a B full conversion set too:)?!  I plan on doing U-47 circa October 13 '39.

Right now, the only things I'm entertaining using from the Amati kit are the PE deck and possible CT.  Both however may require extensive mods and I'm wondering if it would be best to just use the box and brass stands from Amati:)!  What I'd really like is a top-view detailed drawing of U-47.  Looks like from the pics on this incredible site that the Amati deck may be inaccurate too?

I've got a slew of small "universal" stuff done and ready for casting (props, CT accessories, anchor & well, etc.  We're just waiting to introduce the new line with the hull halves rather than detail bit (to make a bigger "splash").

Anyway, that's the basic jist.  Hope to hear from you:)! (Others welcome to call as well).

Best regards,  Scott
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  Hi Scott

        Was just at your site Tigermodels and was very impressed with the quality of your castings. I'm first and foremost a builder of German armor and the castings for the Panther G Late are very crisp looking. Can't wait to see what you do for U-boat modelers



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That's beautiful stuff. My compliments and regards!
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Hello friends, and thanks for the kind comments. 

I have to toot Joe's horn on these, they are some of the finest castings available, and have been called so by several reviewers.  Joe has been using a special new resin for these, which requires baking for 3-hours after de-moulding.  There's no warpage at all, 0.001" tolerance, and he can cast parts as thin as PE!  The Panther fender set I've sent him (soon to be released) you can actually read through, and cut yourself on!  We're going to use the same resin for the hull halves due to their size so we have no warpage problems.

I have some of the current new Panther parts in stock.  If anyone here wants I'll offer them at a discount.

Warmest regards,  Scott Negron 610-564-3724
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 Hi Again!

The projects we talked about sound great ! When do you project the offering of the VIIC Hull halves?

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Hi guys,

Nice to hear from you again Scott. Since many of the most successful VIIs were Bs, I would say there is an opportunity in the market for two VIIB conversion sets for the Revell kit. In fact I’m surprised nobody has produced one yet. Firstly a conversion to depict the 1938/1939 VIIB tower (for U 47 at Scapa and U 48 early in her career). Secondly, a separate conversion to depict the 1940 onwards VIIB tower (for U 47 and U 48 later in their careers, plus U 99 and U 100). Given the amount of info on the net these days such sets would have to be very accurate. But if they were accurate I’d say they would sell well. 

The Amati kit is a challenging but enjoyable kit to build. But in terms of accuracy, the release of the Revell kit has made it pretty obsolete. I wrote an article on the inaccuracies in the Amati kit a few years back, which you are welcome to read if you wish. Knowing the level of detail that you incorporate into your models, I would suggest that modifying the Amati kit to your level of accuracy would be a total nightmare. It would be so much easier to take the Revell kit and convert it than try and alter the Amati kit.

The Amati deck doesn’t fit well onto the Revell kit. If I remember correctly, the Amati deck isn’t as accurate as the Modelbrass deck either. The Modelbrass deck is much more accurate than the disappointing Nautilus deck (which merely copied the Revell one) so I would suggest using the Modelbrass deck. Plus you get the four useful pieces for the drainage holes near the dive planes too.

If you are going for an October 1939 U 47, then your idea of fitting the Amati tower is a good one. But, although the tower looks fine in shape, it would need a LOT of work in adding the details. You’ve already realised about the Amati intake duct. That was fitted to VIIBs in about the spring of 1941, after U 47 was lost. And you’ve realised the problem of the area beneath the intake duct on the tower floor. Maybe a PE replacement? With the correct square shaped holes?

As for the drainage holes, the U-Brass set would help alter the Revell hull into a VIIB hull. Very briefly, the holes around the torpedo doors were different, and there was only one hole next to the stem (instead of the 2/3 on VIICs). On VIIBs the front pattern of holes extended farther back on VIIBs than on VIICs, leaving a main drainage slot than was shorter in length on VIIBs. And also, if you were doing U 47 in October 1939 then the diesel exhaust outlet was a circle rather than the VIIC-style oval shape. Lastly, the brass strips in the Amati set for the drainage holes aren’t accurate so they aren’t much use to you either. Very annoying!

Please keep us informed about your plans.

Cheers,

Dougie Martindale

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